• Theaitetos
    Theaitetos
    2015-12-13

    I'm afraid of Muslims.

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  • nicolasmaia@diasporabr.com.br
    nicolasmaia@diasporabr.com.br
    2015-12-13

    I'm afraid of people like you

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  • ff@framasphere.org
    ff@framasphere.org
    2015-12-13

    Donald is afraid of muslims, women, and probably many other people and things. As a primary troll, he takes his feeling of existing from the reactions he gets to his hate speech and bullshit babbling. So let us just ignore him.

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  • Theaitetos
    Theaitetos
    2015-12-13

    Oh, so you love to oppress women like Muslims do? Thanks for speaking out on your misogyny!

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  • Theaitetos
    Theaitetos
    2015-12-13

    Hey, you can now participate in those polls and swing the favor in balance of your pro-Islamic views – enjoy ^_^

    • poll #1
    • poll #2
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  • R.Houtman
    R.Houtman
    2015-12-13

    @Donald

    Are you afraid of Muslims or are you are afraid of terrorists?

    Majority of humanity across all races are afraid of terrorists you know.
    Yes also many muslims.

    Every violent person thought/thinks he's doing the right thing.

    (i'm not saying i agree with them. I also have my own views)

    have you spoken to Muslims? It's about time you do. And find out there's tons of muslims who don't agree with islam and/or terrorists.
    But many are either scared to come out for it, because of what the book teaches. Because they themselves can't trust even their neighbor.

    What i'm afraid of, is that society is doing the same as they have been doing for about 6000 years already. Say since ehh summerians.
    Anger / frustration & propaganda is what lets an(other) idiot rise to power and rage war.

    Ask veterans&patriots how they feel about what they came to fight. You may be surprised.

    Veteran on fighting terrorism in iraq

    I can assure you they won't vote for trump, without even asking them

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  • sojjeyning@flokk.no
    sojjeyning@flokk.no
    2015-12-13

    It is incredible to me to see the anti Muslim propaganda. I can not find a feeling, apart from these people have literally gone Mad to think this way. I grew up in a country with Muslims, really radical ones. You know those radical enough and brave enough to move continents and make great lives for themselves, contributing greatly to our Cultures, and economy.

    They delivered both my Children in State run Hospitals, taught me at School, worked with me and Married my partners Sister. Muslim Women, built and opened our first free University in Spain.

    It is beyond belief to be reading such racist rubbish. ISIL, or whatever they are called today, do not represent Muslims. They represent corruption, assassination and the Mercenary driven Regime Change, movement endorsed by and developed by our Western leaders, funded by the Tax Payers. Regime Change and Wealth exchange, that is all they represent.

    A tool to extort money from the Tax payers, Strip privacy laws, Gun laws, free Borders, control protest movements and ultimately lock the door on the Cells of Western born free individuals.

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  • Theaitetos
    Theaitetos
    2015-12-13

    have you spoken to Muslims?

    The Israelis are speaking to Muslims every single day, and yet they erected a huge wall to keep them out of Israel.

    Jews are smart. Let's learn from their wisdom.

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  • Theaitetos
    Theaitetos
    2015-12-13

    https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/665495212140163072

    you prefer Wikipedia?

    • Wikipedia: Apostasy in Islam (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aposta...

    More than 20 Muslim nations have laws that declare apostasy by Muslims to be a crime, many imposing the death penalty for apostates.

    Official penalties for leaving and/or converting from Islam, in some Muslim-majority countries as of 2013

    more?

    • The only good Muslim is an ex-Muslim (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...

    • Why did the Muslims in #Europe abandon #Slavery?

    • Wikipedia: Slavery in modern Islam (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    maybe something nice about Islam?

    • Marriage – spot the difference!

    • Beating up women …

    • Christianity

    some polls?

    • Gays

    • If a woman is raped …

    some legal reviews?

    • I did not kill

    • There is no future for Jews in Europe

    • Comic relief

    but maybe you want to hear it from others? from children?

    • Mohammed – piss be upon him – raped children

    or maybe from actual ex-muslims?

    • https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/667984969915060224

    • https://twitter.com/DudeInDistress/status/667523237543284737

    • https://twitter.com/MiladJama/status/667529716044173312

    • https://twitter.com/nematsadat/status/667561435879223296

    • https://twitter.com/YasmienMills/status/667576386257743872

    • https://twitter.com/MalayBoy97/status/667577354890424321

    • https://twitter.com/aliamjadrizvi/status/667584655152009216

    • https://twitter.com/MaryamNamazie/status/667633486023499776

    • https://twitter.com/zahinnaila/status/668001962680451072

    • https://twitter.com/shazlings/status/668013491517698048

    or maybe hear it from non-western Europeans?

    • School shooting in Russia!

    • Only 10% of Russia's population is #Muslim

    or maybe from non-Europeans altogether?

    • The Mali gunmen weeded out Muslims by demanding that hostages reci...

    • Diversity!

    or you like clocks?

    • We don’t need anti-terrorism, we need anti-Islamism

    So, is #Wikipedia anti-muslim propaganda or are you simply a pro-muslim apologist and propagandist? What sounds more likely?

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  • sojjeyning@flokk.no
    sojjeyning@flokk.no
    2015-12-13

    The bible and Christianity also legitimises such abuse of Women. Along with just about every other conceivable atrocity.

    http://infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/atrocity.html

    The answer is obviously education, integration and discussion. Both opposing Religions are barbaric, pitting one against the other - is a special kind of stupid.

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  • R.Houtman
    R.Houtman
    2015-12-13

    @Mael

    The bible and Christianity also legitimises such abuse of Women. Along with just about every other conceivable atrocity.

    Please share which, because i didn't find it.

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  • Theaitetos
    Theaitetos
    2015-12-13

    infidels.org? That's your entire argument against the massive amount of articles on Wikipedia and thousands of ex-muslims speaking out against their horrible ideology (which poses as a religion)? xD

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  • ff@framasphere.org
    ff@framasphere.org
    2015-12-13

    Well, to it is useless to debate with the troll but these two vids may clear up a few points :
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEnWw_lH4tQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYedKXpb5mo

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  • Theaitetos
    Theaitetos
    2015-12-13

    Yes, the first video impressively shows that modern Christian faith is no longer based on the Old Testament, but on the teachings of Jesus. This is why modern Christians have no idea what's written in the old parts of the Bible, while Muslims are very well aware of all the stuff in the Quran and recite it regularly.

    The second video is an islamic propaganda video. It's like the Saudis saying "we're against ISIS", but then acting in the same way as ISIS, beheading and stoning people in the name of Allah according to Islamic teachings.

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  • sojjeyning@flokk.no
    sojjeyning@flokk.no
    2015-12-13

    @R.Houtman

    Shorter listing. Just 15 reasons for Women to be killed.
    http://blastmagazine.com/2013/08/20/15-reasons-women-should-be-killed-according-to-the-bible/

    @Donald

    Does it really matter where the list is from, you could read the source material, and there is a huge number of sources you can read the chapters.

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  • Theaitetos
    Theaitetos
    2015-12-13

    Shorter listing. Just 15 reasons for Women to be killed.
    http://blastmagazine.com/2013/08/20/15-reasons-women-should-be-killed-according-to-the-bible/

    You are aware that all of these things are from the (Jewish) Old Testament? Don't you know that Christianity bases its morals and values on the New Testament – you know, on the teachings of that Jesus Christ guy, who was kinda important.

    The Old Testament is only a reference about cosmogony and stuff, something the Christians took from the Jews. So yeah, this was an utter fail – better luck next time!

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  • R.Houtman
    R.Houtman
    2015-12-13

    @FF

    bedankt. Kleine verduidelijking over wat de eerste video aanhaald:

    Leve 26:27 Als u dan hierom nog niet naar Mij luistert en u tegen Mij blijft ingaan ... 29 U zult dan het vlees van uw eigen zonen eten, en het vlees van uw eigen dochters zult u eten.

    Leviticus is een hele opsomming van wat zal gebeuren wanneer het volk afgoden blijft aanbidden(en in die tijd ook kinderen offerden voor hun afgoden! wat een gruwel voor God is), en het zondig leven verkiezen boven verzoening. nr 29 slaat op wat over hen zal vallen wanneer God zijn aangezicht wegkeert vanwege de zonde.

    over vrouw en onderwijs geven.

    hier duidelijke uitleg

    Over "een man met een man slapen.", hetzelfde geld voor "een man die overspel pleegt met de vrouw".

    Het volk Israel had een voorbeeldfunctie. Zij werden wetten gegeven die kaarsrecht waren en geen dubbele interpretatie kent t.o.v. wat geoorloofd is en wat de plank mis slaat.

    Maar wat velen vergeten is dat in het NT duidelijk gezegd wordt, dat de wet niemand kan rechtvaardigen, maar alleen van zonde kan getuigen.

    Zoals Jezus aangaf in Joh 8:7 "Die van ulieden zonder zonde is, werpe eerst den steen op haar." laat zien dat ook het "stenigen" misbruikt werd.

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  • ff@framasphere.org
    ff@framasphere.org
    2015-12-13

    Reading the last com of the arrogant extreme-right-wingger is quite funny. Just above, he was saying that Jews are smart. Let’s learn from their wisdom.
    Anyway ... Enquiries have shown that the terrorists in Paris didn't know anything about what is written in the quram, not more than what christians know about the bible.
    All religious texts give a bunch of various interpretations. For example, sufism, which is a branch of Islam, says that jihad (holy war) defines an inner fight. Claiming that salafism means Islam is just ridiculous, it is a sign of deep ignorance. Recently, 70 imams, followed by millions of muslims launched a fatwah against terrorism.
    There's a problem with narrowminded bigots, they always need to oppose other bigots.
    For those who didn't know Donald before, this dude who keeps posting objectified female bodies has very often written very insulting posts against all feminist claims for equality, and he always mocks and despises the people who don't agree with his reactionary theories.

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  • ff@framasphere.org
    ff@framasphere.org
    2015-12-13

    @R.Houtman, sorry I don't speak dutch.

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  • R.Houtman
    R.Houtman
    2015-12-13

    sorry. its about the verses the two guys quoting the bible posing it as the quoran. indeed, i saw your French posts. I need google translate for those :)

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  • Theaitetos
    Theaitetos
    2015-12-13

    Reading the last com of the arrogant

    ad hominem

    extreme-right-wingger

    ad hominem

    There’s a problem with narrowminded

    ad hominem

    bigots

    ad hominem

    this dude who keeps posting objectified female bodies

    ad hominem

    has very often written very insulting posts

    ad hominem

    and he always mocks

    ad hominem

    and despises

    ad hominem

    his reactionary theories

    ad hominem

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  • Theaitetos
    Theaitetos
    2015-12-13

    Sorry, I couldn't hear your argument over all the ad hominem personal attacks in your post.

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  • ff@framasphere.org
    ff@framasphere.org
    2015-12-13

    no prob sir, I was not talking TO you, but ABOUT you.

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  • ff@framasphere.org
    ff@framasphere.org
    2015-12-13

    Morons are often so proud of themselves…

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  • Theaitetos
    Theaitetos
    2015-12-13

    I know that you were talking ABOUT me, that's what an ad hominem argument is:

    An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attack on an argument made by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, rather than attacking the argument directly. When used inappropriately, it is a logical fallacy in which a claim or argument is dismissed on the basis of some irrelevant fact or supposition about the author or the person being criticized.[2] Fallacious ad hominem reasoning is normally categorized as an informal fallacy,[4][5][6] more precisely as a genetic fallacy, a subcategory of fallacies of irrelevance.

    The question is: Do you only want stupid idiots (who fall for such fallacies) to agree with you, or are you also trying to convince smart people (who ignore such ad hominems), who prefer actual arguments? :-)

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  • ff@framasphere.org
    ff@framasphere.org
    2015-12-13

    Did I say that he was a rape advocator too ? Enough for me here, if you fellows still want to talk with him, well ... good luck. See you diasps on some other posts.

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  • Theaitetos
    Theaitetos
    2015-12-13

    Did I say that he was a rape advocator too ? Enough for me here, if you fellows still want to talk with him, well …

    So, your intention was never to refute my arguments, but only to keep other people from talking with me by spreading personal attacks and lies? Wow, you're a real piece of s%#! …

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  • ff@framasphere.org
    ff@framasphere.org
    2015-12-14

    multiplemiddlefingers

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  • R.Houtman
    R.Houtman
    2015-12-14

    These women are relentless.. they are still doing the same in the picture as i saw them do yesterday =)

    beam

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  • R.Houtman
    R.Houtman
    2015-12-14

    (ofcourse; could be me speaking in the picture..)

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  • mʕ•ﻌ•ʔm jesuiSatire .. ᘛ⁐̤ᕐᐷ
    mʕ•ﻌ•ʔm jesuiSatire .. ᘛ⁐̤ᕐᐷ
    2015-12-15

    .. not only relentless R.Houtman sometimes they repeat themselfs ..

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  • R.Houtman
    R.Houtman
    2015-12-15

    :)

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  • sojjeyning@flokk.no
    sojjeyning@flokk.no
    2015-12-16

    Cool story bro!

    Are you Sure that Christianity is based only on the teachings of Jesus? and that the Old Testament is not valid when discussing Christianity?

    If so, Why does Jesus say, that you (Christians) have to obey the old laws? (Mathew 5 17, Luke 16 16-17, Timothy 3 16, Mark 7 9-13, etc, etc) Jesus also said - Do not think that I have come to abolish the old Law, or the Prophets.

    If the Old Testament is invalid, which your prophet says it is not! who should we believe? God? his Son, the Lord of Lords, Kings of Kings? or the NSFW dude posting porn on non-age regulated open social media.

    Even if we did accept it is invalid, then why are Christians still persecuting Homosexuals, keeping Women out of the higher ranks of your own Church's, reading the psalms, genesis and preaching the 10 commandments? Amongst many other things.

    Who art thou, oh Christians, to over rule the word and laws of both your God, and his prophet, his son, Jesus Christ?

    Do you feel, that for non Christians, this could be very confusing? just as you appear very confused when you suggest all Muslims are extremist terrorists? Over ruling your own God, along with his prophets word, sounds pretty fucking extreme to me.

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  • R.Houtman
    R.Houtman
    2015-12-16

    @Mael to who are you speaking?

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  • ff@framasphere.org
    ff@framasphere.org
    2015-12-16

    Thankfully, Mael, no all christians behave like the trumpatetos dude does.

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  • ff@framasphere.org
    ff@framasphere.org
    2015-12-16

    meyou
    could apply several times in this thread

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  • sojjeyning@flokk.no
    sojjeyning@flokk.no
    2015-12-16

    @R.Houtman - at Donald,

    @FF Ex-Shukke - I know friend, but this huge push to label Islam as terrorist throughout all channels is crazy. I was born Christian family, it is not what I practise now, neither is Islam. There is good, and bad in all.

    Those old ladies, nailed it.

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  • mʕ•ﻌ•ʔm jesuiSatire .. ᘛ⁐̤ᕐᐷ
    mʕ•ﻌ•ʔm jesuiSatire .. ᘛ⁐̤ᕐᐷ
    2015-12-16

    .. it's just one f** monotheistic religion that is about to screw the whole planet .. what the heck are you talking about ?? ..

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  • ff@framasphere.org
    ff@framasphere.org
    2015-12-16

    One religion, RequêtéChe ? Which one ? Here I see two, at least...

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  • ff@framasphere.org
    ff@framasphere.org
    2015-12-16

    Three, in fact

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  • R.Houtman
    R.Houtman
    2015-12-16

    @jeSuisatire

    it’s just one f** monotheistic religion..

    Is it a federation feature surfacing? becase i don't see that text anywhere in this comment stream?

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  • jrob@diaspora.hzsogood.net
    jrob@diaspora.hzsogood.net
    2015-12-16

    Federation is largely a figment of our imagination. But I didn't see that anywhere, either.

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  • mʕ•ﻌ•ʔm jesuiSatire .. ᘛ⁐̤ᕐᐷ
    mʕ•ﻌ•ʔm jesuiSatire .. ᘛ⁐̤ᕐᐷ
    2015-12-17

    I saw in this post conversation about old and new testament and the coran and that is just one line of of one (or the) monotheistic religion, at least looking at it from every where else than the middle east. Actually i'm not sure if there are other monotheistic concepts out there in the millions of cultural stories trying to catch up with the urgent need of poring spiritual and daily experience into some kind of concept and context to pass on to future generations.

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