Yeah journalists should be covering protests, not participating in them.

But in the end you only get criticism from both sides 🤔

ok, we arenow at the point wehere stupid "left" wingers declare the struggle against antisemitism as "racist" and "controvercial", thanks to antisemites and their helpfull idiots, and yes, i am looking in your direction @anonymiss thank you for making antisemitism and stupidity great again! 0o

The BBC's supposed impartiality is a joke. It is the mouthpiece of the British establishment, for better or worse.

PS Actually, on Israel / Gaza, the BBC hasn't been too bad. Which is why both sides are accusing it of bias.

So what are the different results from these two alternatives?
- Journalist agrees with protestors and gives the protest favorable coverage.
- Journalist not only agrees with protestors but protests herself, and also gives the protest favorable coverage.

If coverage of racism should be impartial, what about coverage of rapes and murders?

I suppose that fact that both sides accuse the BBC of bias probably means that their coverage is fairly balanced. What both sides want is for the mainstream news to publish their one-sided propaganda.

How do you 'balance' coverage of racism ?
This is a version of Russel's 'Tolerance' exception.

we should think about the pros of antisemitism 0o
fckn antisemites!

@Mulkurul get straight to the point.

The positions in the war these days are so extremist that there is no diplomatic convergence. Neutrality is particularly difficult if you want to take both positions seriously. After all, Hamas' goal is the total elimination of Israel. How can this point of view be considered in a balanced way?

That was their position many years ago. It was revised. The 'point' is that intolerance (racism...) is intolerable to a tolerant worldview. We were talking about journalism, no ?

Posit:
- Israel will be content with nothing less than the complete takeover of the entire region historically known as Palestine by believers in the Zionist movement.
- Those who call themselves Palestinians will be content with nothing less than the elimination of believers in the Zionist movement from the region historically knows as Palestine.

If this is the case, then these two groups will never be at peace, and their conflict will continue the threaten the peace of the rest of the world. In this case, the rest of the world has only two alternatives: to enter this never-ending war on one side or the other, or to impose a peace treaty on both sides of the war. I say, impose a treaty ASAP.

A treaty has already been imposed, year after year, by the UN Security council. So far, it has been ignored by the Zionists.

• correction, not by the security council, by the general assembly.

No, @David, that's not what Zionism is. Zionism is simply the belief that the Jews have the right to self-determination in their historical homeland. Centre and Left Zionists tend to support a two-state solution, for example.

It's true that the word is more associated with right wing views these days, but that's a perversion, and one of many bits of mis- and dis-information in this conflict. It's also true that terrible things have been done in the name of Zionism. Terrible things have also been done in the name of socialism. And Islam. And democracy. etc. etc.

wrong, olmert offered nearly 100% (including landswaps) of the westbank&gaza, abbas still refused, because of "the palestinian refugees" from 1948.
there had been several israeli gverments in the past who where seriously interested in land4peace, the palestinian side allways refused, because "of the palestinian refugees", thats a historical and proveable fact, but this demonstation is not about israel or palestine, itz about the current wave of antisemitism in the uk!
but of course, for palestine-supporting-antisemites, antisemitism is a "controversial topic"
fucking antisemites! and fuck their fascist friends!

No Noam, that is exactly what Zionism is. 'From the river to the sea, Eretz Israel, and sometimes I think it's not that river they're talking about...

Centre and Left Zionists tend to support a two-state solution

and left wingers, who critize the antisemitism of the stupid fascist "left"!
but the topic here is not israel, itz the antisemitism in the uk!

It's been more than 75 years. 75 years! It's time for the rest of the world to impose peace, with peace-keepers.

Set the borders back to 1967, and get rid of all the settlements. Either that, or make it all one state with no racial or religious identity, where all religions and races are tolerated everywhere in the country and represented in the national legislature.

Because peacekeepers have also worked so well in Mali, Somalia and Afghanistan.

Actually most peacekeeping missions are a great success, like the ones I was on, but you don't hear about it because there is nothing to report but peace. The MFO peacekeeping force in the Sinai has ensured peace between Egypt and Israel since 1975. The main ingredient for peacekeeping though is that both sides have to want peace. Peacekeeping just ensures that the treaty is adhered to.

or 1967, when "un-peacekeepers" they just withdrawled , when the egyptian army entered the demilitiarized sinai or close to golan, where the "un-peacekeepers" 2016 run away, when daesh came

get damn history books!

The Internet says that the success rate is 42%, which I don't want to minimize. However, I believe that more is needed in a war that has been going on for so long and that the will for peace is hardly recognizable.

btw as long as hamas is a relevant player in that "game", there is no peace-perspective! hamas wants all jews dead, which brings us back to the topic of that march, protesting against the antisemitism in the uk!
and yes, antisemites think that antisemitism is "controversial", like racists think that racism is "controversial"!

Hamas's founding charter does set the destruction of Israel and the death of all Jews as their aim and that was reaffirmed last week as reported. Aims like that make peace difficult to achieve.

but the antisemites will allways blame israel, like allways, antisemitism is the "fault of the jews"
btw that march is not about israel or palestine, itz against antisemtism in the uk! , thats for antisemites "controversial"!

Adam Hunt. Citation please...

No @Mulkurul, that's not what Zionism is. I grew up with it, I learned about it in school. It's not your call. You don't get to define it.

With all due respect, Noam; you have no idea who I am or what
i grew up with. Sit down !

I am sitting down. Just telling me I'm wrong doesn't change anything. I know plenty of people who consider themselves Zionists who support a two-state solution. This has been the position of the Zionist left in Israel for a long time.

Read: https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm

Zionist-light ?
Your just telling me that the pedagogy you and some of your friends and associates received concealed the fundamental aims of Zionism doesn't change the facts we see, for dec ades, of ethnic cleansing, appropriation of lands and properties, and the 'open season' on a considered near-animal indiginous population, which the Zionist entity has massacred for a near century. These are the facts, on the ground, as they say.
The insane, and historically muddled idea of a Jewish 'historical homeland' is fundamental to the Zionist project, and can include Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt up to the Nile. The lands to the east up to the Euphrates. An ethnically 'pure' state is envisaged, with the indiginous population either removed, subjugated as slaves, or killed. We are currently moving from the apartheid phase of this programme to the eviction or slaughter phase.
I will not say more about my personnal knowledge of the Near East here, but it is extensive. Take it or leave it.

Thank you Adam.
I had not actually read the whole revised manifesto, but had reliedc on secondary sources. Those sources seem to have been correct. Upon first reading, I see NO reference to exterminating Jews, as you assert. Indeed, see....

"16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the
Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against
the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the
Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly
identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal
entity.
17. Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the
undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian
grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism
and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to
European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or
to their heritage. The Zionist movement, which was able with the help of
Western powers to occupy Palestine, is the most dangerous form of
settlement occupation which has already disappeared from much of the
world and must disappear from Palestine."

Can you point at any other section of the manifesto that I may have overlooked or misunderstood ?

I think the key statement is right at the top:

On the Destruction of Israel:

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'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble)

I don't see that in the revised (2017) version.
The ''destruction of Israel' does not imply a slaughter of all Jews, as you asserted had been reiterated 'recently'.

It does say;

'The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and
kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.' (Article 7)

By the way, referring to the Muslim Arab population as "indiginous" is not correct as they were 7th century invaders and conquerors of the region. See: Muslim conquest of the Levant for the full story. They arrived in the 634–638 CE invasion.

In fact the Jews were a branch of the Canaanites and not from Egypt as the Old Testaments incorrectly says:

Modern scholars agree that the Bible does not provide an authentic account of the Israelites' origins; the consensus supports that the archaeological evidence showing largely indigenous origins of Israel in Canaan, not Egypt, is "overwhelming" and leaves "no room for an Exodus from Egypt or a 40-year pilgrimage through the Sinai wilderness".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_history#The_early_Israelites

So it is the Israelite Jews who are indigenous to the Levant, not the Arabs.

That is not what article 7 says in the '17 document.
See https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/hamas-2017.pdf
It's not much use if we arer quoting from different iterations, and I remind you that you originally said Hamas had reriterated their intention to kill all Jews recently. That seems to be a false statement, and deserves correction.

Except that it is correct:

From 13 October 2023: Hamas members pray for ‘slaughter, extermination, and annihilation’ of Jews:

The video begins with Hamad Al-Regeb, a Hamas Sheikh, praying, “Oh Allah, bring annihilation upon the Jews. Paralyze them, destroy their entity. Oh Allah, enable us to get to the necks of the Jews.”

The second leader featured in Tuesday’s video is Fathi Hamad, the former Interior Minister of Gaza. Hamad was recorded threatening the Jewish people, stating, “The day of your slaughter, extermination, and annihilation is near.”

An unidentified Hamas Imam, also known as a Muslim leader of prayer, noted that the violence against the Jewish people would continue “until not a single Jew or Zionist is left on the face of the earth.” The Imam added that a time would come when the property and the descendants of the Jewish people would be “annihilated.”

Another unidentified Hamas Imam outlined the terrorist group’s “doctrine” in fighting against the Jews. He claimed that the organization’s intention was to “totally exterminate” the Jewish people, adding, “We will not leave a single one of you alive.”

Mahmoud Al-Zahar, the co-founder of Hamas, discussed the command found in the Quran to kill the Jews “wherever you may find them.” The Hamas co-founder threatened that the terrorist group would “fight them wherever we can.”

You're tripping, Adam.

It is called "quoting citations".

...from a notoriuusly manipulated source.

There are many other sources that report similar things, but I am sure that doesn't fit your chosen narrative.

The idea that all Zionists believe exactly the same thing is as absurd as the idea that all feminists believe exactly the same thing. As I said in my first comment, horrible things have been done in the name of Zionism. That's not what all Zionists believe. You're repeating anti-Israel propaganda, and that doesn't make it so. Start by reading the Wikipedia article on Zionism and see the different views. Google Leftist Zionism, there are interesting reads.

It's not just 'my friends', it's the political discourse in Israel and that's what determines what Zionism is. Not you. There are different views, and currently the right wing view is sadly dominant. The reason Zionism is defined in the rabid way you do is part of an anti-Israel agenda.

But enough troll feeding, that should fatten you up for Christmas.

the denial